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Malle piep

what is sauer and where do you buy it in California ?

Dieter Buschmann

@ all

if you are baking with a three stage sour dough, you don't need yeast anymore.
There is enough in the sourdough.

In shorter doughs, you need it to help.

In the middle ages, bakers were using the rest of beer from the brewery, as the yeast.

Commercial yeast has been around for only 100 years, it's like what Ulrike postetd:

we are calling small breads as Brötchen,
a Brötchen is a roll, this "name" is coming from "a little bread"

And this word is that is most used in the north.
In the south (and Austria) they calling it "Semmel". In English it's roll, or bun.

Ulrike, in one point you are wrong: we don't know yeast existed for thousands of years.
It was a happy accident and observation ( random, only)
500 years ago, the human only backed flat breads between two hot stones.
They didn't know, why it happened, why their doughs rose up.

Ulrike

You don't need "commercial" yeast, yeast is known for thousands of years and humans use them. The early advanced civilizations in the Middle East used yeast for their breads. I can't say a lot to 3-stage detmold, I dont't use it because of the exact temperatures. And rye based sourdoughs have more acid than wheat based sourdoughs, that's my experience. Baking with rye makes the difference, you want the acid more than the yeasts to get the pentosans. So a 100 % rye bread is sour and dense. There is no strict rule about that, I grew up between German Pumpernickel and mixed rye breads ...

Jeremy

Thanks Ulrike,you answered a lot of things regarding German baking. I wonder though how much German bakers have depended on yeast and how different was the bread before commercial yeast was used? Maybe that was the reason for detmold sauer method?

You tell me? I am just an eager student!

Ulrike

We Germans help the yeasts in the sourdough - which is always rye in Germany - you need the acid to make the rye bake, but if you want to "wait" for the yeast in your sourdough it would be toooooooo sour for some palates.


And the name of the bread has no umlaut, Brot only small breads has any Brötchen :-)

Greetings Ulrike from Germany

Jeremy

Doughman: Understood, I just wonder if that is a correct labeling of the bread; or is it a method that is used to quicken the pace of baking shortening the work load and bottom line of bakeries, it's a subject I hope to share soon with all of you when I interview a former backer from Hamburg!

Doughman

Jeremy, what I was trying to tell you is that the German bakers still call their breads rye sourdough even if it has yeasts in it. Even when I took a German baking class, almost all of the breads had yeasts in it as well as the rye sourdough, and the breads had a great rye sour taste! The instructor was from Germany...he was from the Bandesfachschule des Deutschen Båckerhandwerks.

Jeremy

Susan, surprisingly enough she approved even though she asked for a thin slice, women?
Doughman,I don't usually like using commercial yeast as I pride myself on using sour exclusively, maybe I can be flexible when a nice loaf appears!

Thanks for the comments, listen to the interviews?

Susan/Wild Yeast

Now there's a loaf! Surely your wife will forgive you.

Doughman

Oops...I meant to say, "If you like the bread as is..."

Doughman

Nice looking bread, Jeremy. That's fine if you added a bit of yeast to your bread. Most German breads that I have seen in Germany do have yeasts in them. Of course, there are some German breads that don't have yeast in them as well. If you the bread as is, I wouldn't change a thing to it.

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